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Spanish figures: Add them please

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The spanish figure is 2-3% redhaired people according to data. I leave the link here https://www.elmundo.es/magazine/2003/183/1048874109.html#:~:text=Si%20s%C3%B3lo%20el%207%25%20de,tanto%20dorado%20por%20nuestras%20ciudades? (Si sólo el 7% de los españoles es rubio natural (el 57% es castaño, el 26% moreno, el 3% pelirrojo y el 10% restante moreno y castaño claros)

Edit Suggestion - Genetics

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Under section 2.1 Genetics I propose the following addition:

A haplotype has been identified on the ASIP locus on chromosome 20 that is associated with red hair.[1] The ASIP locus prevents the MC1R receptor from producing melanocyte-stimulating hormone. As a result, less eumelanin and more pheomelanin is produced. Pheomelanin has been linked to red hair and increased risk of skin damage due to UV light. 

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Tbechar

References

  1. ^ Sturm, Richard (April 15, 2009). "Molecular genetics of human pigmentation diversity". Human Molecular Genetics. 18 (R1). doi:https://doi.org/10.1093/hmg/ddp003. Retrieved 25 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check |doi= value (help); External link in |doi= (help)
  2. ^ Nasti, Tahseen; Timares, Laura (7 Novemeber 2014). "MC1R, Eumelanin and Pheomelanin: Their Role in Determining the Susceptibility to Skin Cancer". Photochemistry and Photobiology. 91 (1). doi:10.1111/php.12335. Retrieved 29 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Some irish people say irish have red hair because of the vikings?

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I have heard some irish people say that some irish people have red or blonde hair because of the Germanic invasion(Vikings) of Ireland. Why do irish people say this?

Medieval antisemitism

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The following proposition:

The medieval prejudice against red-hair may have derived from the Ancient biblical tradition, in relation to biblical figures such as Esau and King David.

is unsourced and it is contraddicted by the Bible. 1 Samuel 16:1–13 affirms king David "was ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking." King David has been proclaimed saint for all the Christian Churches whi veretate the saints: his being ruddy couldn't have arisen any prejudice against rutilism.

Geographic Distribution

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I don't think its accurate to say that Scotland has the highest number of red-haired people as said in this article because the 13% figure that is used to back up this claim is purely based on an estimation and is not supported by any study and therefore has been highly criticised by many experts in the field such as Dr. Jim Wilson who conducted one of the largest studies on red hair and found the percentage of Scots who are readheads to be only 6%. Dr Wilson's finding are backed up by the 1907 largest study on hair colour in Scottish history with over half a million participants and found the number of people in Scotland with red hair to be 5.3% nowhere near the 13% number cited in this article. If Wikipedia prides itself on presenting the most accurate information I think we should have an agreement as to getting the 13% figure removed. If for whatever reason you dont agree with me i will propose a compromise and say that both Scotland and Ireland have the highest number of red-haired people per capita and not say one has more or less than the other, but I don't belive it's fair to keep in a figure that's based on someone's guess and use it as a fact to back up the claim that Scotland has the highest number of red-haired people in the world especially when even the article contradicts this a few lines down. Billybob the third1244 (talk) 13:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Geographic distribution

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Could you give me permission to change it to this as I think it would be more accurate for the page

Red hair is said to be most common in the Northern European coasts and islands of the Atlantic Ocean and in particular among Celtic people.

Ireland, has the highest percentage of people with red hair at over 10%,[1][2][3]with 46% carrying the gene.[4] Scotland also has high percentages of red hair with around 6% making it the second most ginger country in the world behind Ireland.[5][6] There was a misconception that red hair occurrence in Scotland ran at around 13%, due to this figure appearing in reliable media sources,[7] however this figure was only an estimate and has since been disproved by research. Dr. Jim Wilson of Britain's DNA has carried out the only large scale genetic study of Red Hair using a sample of over 2,343 people; and has found red hair occurrence of 6% in Scotland,[5][6][8] this is concurrent with the largest ever study of hair colour in Scotland which analysed over half a million people and found red hair prevalence of 5.3%.[9] A 1956 study of hair color among British army recruits also found high levels of red hair in Wales and the English Border counties.[10] Billybob the third1244 (talk) 16:57, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

or I could change it to this
Ireland and Scotland have the highest percentage of red hair in the world per capita with around 10% of Irish people [11][12] [13]and between 5-13% of Scottish people being redheads[14][6][15][5][6][16][17] Billybob the third1244 (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd have a preference for something more along the lines of;
Studies on the prevalence of red hair, using different methodologies, have reached differing conclusions, but indicate the highest population percentages in Ireland and Scotland. A DNA survey in 2015 in Scotland indicated .. where as a recent study in Ireland... etc .. etc
All the sourced figures could be included, but things like sample size and limitations discussed in sources would be included. This provides an explanation as to why the numbers may differ, and also discourages ranking seperate studies against each other. It should not be suggested that any one study trumps the others. And care is needed to make a clear distinction between possession of the gene and possesion of the hair. They are not the same thing.
  1. ^ Hooton, Earnest A. (1940). "Stature, head form, and pigmentation of adult male Irish". American Journal of Physical Anthropology. 26 (1): 229–249. doi:10.1002/ajpa.1330260131.
  2. ^ "The genetic causes, ethic origins and history of red hair". Eupedia. Retrieved 18 April 2025.
  3. ^ {{Cite web|url=https://www.howtobearedhead.com/the-top-5-countries-with-the-most-redheads/%7Ctitle=Top 5 Countries With the Highest Redhead population
  4. ^ "Genetic test for ginger hair? - BioNews". www.bionews.org.uk. 18 April 2025.
  5. ^ a b c Cramb, Auslan (24 August 2013). "Edinburgh is surprise capital of redheaded Britain and Ireland" – via www.telegraph.co.uk.
  6. ^ a b c d "Secret army of red heads: Research reveals there are 20MILLION red hair gene carriers in the UK". Mail Online. 18 April 2025.
  7. ^ "DNA project aims to count Scots redheads". BBC News. 18 of April 2025. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  8. ^ "Archived copy" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 2017-02-18. Retrieved 2025-04-18.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: archived copy as title (link)
  9. ^ Gray, John (1907). "Memoir on the Pigmentation Survey of Scotland". The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland. 37: 375–401. doi:10.2307/2843323. JSTOR 2843323.
  10. ^ Sunderland E (May 1956). "Hair-color variation in the United Kingdom". Annals of Human Genetics. 20 (4): 312–33. doi:10.1111/j.1469-1809.1955.tb01286.x. PMID 13314401. S2CID 31340197.
  11. ^ Hooton, Earnest A. (1940). "Stature, head form, and pigmentation of adult male Irish". American Journal of Physical Anthropology. 26 (1): 229–249. doi:10.1002/ajpa.1330260131.
  12. ^ "The genetic causes, ethic origins and history of red hair". Eupedia. Retrieved 18 April 2025.
  13. ^ "Percentage of Redheads by Country 2025". World Population Review.
  14. ^ Cramb, Auslan (24 August 2013). "Edinburgh is surprise capital of redheaded Britain and Ireland" – via www.telegraph.co.uk.
  15. ^ "DNA project aims to count Scots redheads". BBC News. 18 of April 2025. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  16. ^ "Archived copy" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 2017-02-18. Retrieved 2025-04-018. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |access-date= (help)CS1 maint: archived copy as title (link)
  17. ^ Gray, John (1907). "Memoir on the Pigmentation Survey of Scotland". The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland. 37: 375–401. doi:10.2307/2843323. JSTOR 2843323.
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